It was never a picnic for you guys. She hated me so much when my mom finally pulled me outta there she didnt even come to say by. After abusing hundreds, maybe even thousands of teenagers this man has finally been stopped. I was in SCL in 1997, I think I remember you Gabe. The ranch currently enjoys a valid Montana Bird Preserve license and stocks 200-400 pheasants per year. I remember 18 year old activities going to the local grocery and Every one of us buying a fat steak and watching a movie in the trailer. Everyday for a year and a half. The Chaffin Twins, Mickey, the connection to Utah, Jamaica all the Missoulian news paper articles. It was scary. Call it Jargon if you want, but there really are 2 types of people in this World, Givers and Takers, and there is no Wrong or Right, just Things that Work, and Things that Dont. Here she is. I was a naive kid that cared deeply about what others thought of me, I figured staying out of peoples lives would make me feel better. With an extensive variety of stream habitats, these waters present challenges worthy of the most dedicated trout anglers. He was there for 10 months 1996-1997. Kay. Also, notice how she directs all her insults to you as in, she never was one of us Sounds to me this is nothing more than another industry troll trying to justify the abuse they profited from. I was in and out of worksheets/intervention from walking opposite direction as my (courage)family group on purpose to always keep the staff on their toes I guess you cn say I have a problem walking a straight line with others? Honestly I think they got off on that. That didnt last long though. We have multiple tent sites that can be reserved online. 3,190 +/- Deeded Acres. Hell Yeah. I still have some of the worst and best memories from there. I was there 15 years ago. I was in Quest family, Quest family veteran here. I tried finding you when j got out but couldnt. what a load of crap that is NOT what went on..That was a program meant for kids that needed tough guidance.. I was the one the whole molestation case was about. They finally brought us to a camp in a valley near the school where we were to meet our parents for more therapy. It worked a couple times but then they just decided to cover me with a sheet while they restrained me instead. Anyone knows Jet or Scott Snijder? Ben broad, sorry I missed hate-ash. Can you give me more info?? The creek ranges from 30 to 100 feet wide and has a wide variety of trout habitat including riffles, deep runs, glassy flats and a spring fed pond. I couldnt speak of it in detail until a few years ago. I was there in 97 when there were just a few of us. It is now 2013 and I have been incarcerated in federal prison since early 2007, ironically for felony possession of a fire arm. Something like an automatic twelve points a day, minus twenty-five points per consequence, and one-hundred-and-fifty points to get to level two. It was my first or second week there. I do feel like I have this dark past that nobody really understands though If anyone remembers me you can reach out, I have a really bad memory and struggle because my coping mechanism is to block things out. My mom NEVER questioned staff or even questioned my behavior as a sign of desperation to speak to her and she signed me on for the wilderness. not a moment to soon. www.ranchflip.com is using a security service for protection against online attacks. In and out of juvi, drugs, steeling etc. All the buildings are still there. When were you in there? Montana has to pass a law that says, hey, you cant have sex with patients!! 510-666-5591. This girl got up and told us all while crying that her step father was raping her for a long time and she thinks her little sister too and she told her mom but her mom didnt want to hear it and she arrived at the school shortly after. I was being starved, robbed and abused at home from a mother suffering from narcissism and munchausers syndrome. If he worked at Spring Creek Lodge, he had to be aware of the abuse that was occurring. I agree I have no bad memories. Feel free to reach out if you would like, my email is scott_wayze@yahoo.com, I was in integrity family all I know is that place saved my life . I havent found his name anywhere here, but I havent researched it much either. One other thing I want to mention is that in one of the seminars at SkyView Christian Academy there was a girl i think she was 14. I remember an older Mexican girl named Claudia, ilianna, holly poe, marybeth those are some of the names from innocence that stick.out, I was in innocence in 99. Idk if anybody ever looks at this anymore, as 20 years in the past comes and goes. I remember a lot of stuff remember Tyler parish. Unfortunately that brought about a lot of abuse at the hands of the staff. REDFIN and all REDFIN variants, TITLE FORWARD, WALK SCORE, and the R logos, are trademarks of Redfin Corporation, registered or pending in the USPTO. I wish I had the parenting knowledge I have now before I sent her to Spring Creek. so i through a big old cussin fit aimed at the chicken shit color changin junior staff and then got thrown out by junior staff staff mike i think his name was. My substance abuse problems and parental disobedience stemmed from a lack of intelligent and honest parenting. I tried to pack my backpack and couldnt. I hope that Montana is more caring of these youth than Utah has been. It wasnt right. They practiced physical, mental, and emotional abuse. I am not scarred at all. hi melissa. Staff worked us like slave labor chopping down trees. I said 2 because I cant get through focus seminar he said youre a level 3 all star now. Before I left, Karlye and I were working on goals. We both made lists and crossed them off as we accomplished them. How did he pass? Get the latest updates and new property listings from Fay Ranches I couldnt take it. I was at SCLA from 03-04 and I never once saw a kid get injured who didnt run/fight staff me ever to get restrained. Brandy, from California. I do remember a lot of negative things about that place, starting with abuse at Brightway in Utah. Kids trying to commit suicide was a weekly issue. Kevin whats up brother? Yep, the essay pitI remember the Huck Finnand there was Call of the Wild by Jack London too. We could all make millions . We had the worst reputation which i somewhat enjoyed. Mannn I was so shady at that place. This attitude and strong will is inherent to my being and I carry it with pride the same way the upper level would feel towards their graduation. He was always fair and in one particular incident backed me up for calling out a jr. Staff member for beating on a thirteen year old who had been sent there for being too fat. I can honestly say I was glad I went to spring creek because I did 10th thru 12th grade of high school in just 10 short months, I would have never received a high school diploma if it wasnt for spring creek. I soon learned that I could not call my parents. He was replaced with a paranoid, confused kid who was obsessed with protecting himself. Ended up driving into the little store, as in ~I drove INTO the store~ and everyone but me jumped out a grabbed every cig and dip can in the place. I was in Serenity family in 2002. im trying to attend college and need my school transcripts from here and any help would be appreciated Well suprise suprise they got shut down! Pictures of the Racist Chaffin Pullan! These people are acting like a bunch of victims and 3 year old kids. Kids were shivering cold, teeth chattering. Mike was my therapist for over 2 years. Tc excel family. For pricing on lodging packages visit each individual package for rates, inclusions and exclusions. I called it my Space Suit because the cold was real and deadly. I was Lvl 1 for 6 months, in the Hobbit multiple times, and in Worksheet Daily, all these sob stories people are telling just got to show you that after years they are still stuck in their Shit, and Based on the Results, they have exaclty what they Intended On. At first they put me in intervention for long periods of time in solitary confinement. I got trench foot which screwed me for life. A link to purchase your Montana license online is also provided, Frequently asked questions related to fly fishing in Montana and about our fishing trips and packages, Montana Angler is a family run business that prides itself on working with the best guides and lodging options in Montana, Read what our guests have to say about our trips and learn why we are rated #1 in Trip Advisor and have a 5 star average on our Orvis reviews. And anger issues?! Your email address will not be published. but i remember being really happy when you guys did that, like at least someone else thought that place was stupid and did something. Whats up buddy, Courage was formed after I had arrived in that hell hole. The things he told me about that place still give me nightmares. The counselor I was manated to see one time because I was new at the time told me about crazy mushroom picking he did with his girlfriend and started touching my legs and shit. We dont have any specific designs for her, just want her to be happy and graduate high school with her head held high and our relationships intact and healthy. My father has worked in two different homes since the closing of this school. Rates from $55 - $65 a night plus tax. My god! I have a self destructive sort of apathy that only struck me after seeing the shit that went on there. Joshs story, Undated. I was a fairly good kid and my parents were rich and didnt want to deal with a teen. Doug was indeed the little guy always getting thrown the Hobbit with that big oaf staff member Kayden. lol of course im much much older and was dumb, we tried making the best situation out of a horrible one. What was Karleys last name? Oh oh . From Morava to Spring Creek both were awful ! I never even made it to level 3 I didnt want it. In a perfect world these bastards would be in prison. He helped me get out of there. Where is the success? I was in Serenity too! I was sent away in 2003-2005. I spent most of my time I the Hobbit and did not pass level there my parents were brain washed,and my family turned against me I have deep anger issues from this place aam glad it is shut down. I stole and drove the van into Trout Creek one night with 4 or 5 passengers. Lol. i hope i contributed to the worst family reputationhaha. The pit with Tom Sawyer and huckleberry Finn. if you were sitting on lower levels for a couple years like i was YOU WERE DOING TIME. Privileges you lost at home because of that lack of respect. What the hell is going on here??? MLS ID #2497935. My brother and I were there in 1998 to 1999. I knew Joah at Sprimg Creek. You fuckers were the worst! I had good morals. One activity was the lifeboat and you had to go tell all your fellow prisoners if they lived or died. You can email me at ri25tch2.0@gmail.com. I sort of learned how to play the game in my own way, but my friends had a much harder time than I did, I think. The service requires full JavaScript support in order to view this website. Fuck every parent that ever sent their kids to this school. Its been years since Ive even thought about this. To those of you who bled and cried with us through gravel pits and focus seminars (lifeboat process ) I love you and if we unite against these bastards in a mature and orderly fashion, we can give them the coups de grace that they need. Take a look. Choose from Montana's most comprehensive selection of fly fishing trips. What was all this standing and marching in line? They put a hose through the top an turned it on then knoxked over the porta potty. Anyway love to get in contact with anyone who knows the two I mentioned or myself. It was quite an adventure. Rates from $85 a night plus tax. The acreage is easily accessible from a well-maintained set of roads, and the ranch infrastructure is in outstanding shape. He was from the East Coast somewhere like North Carolina. I hoped she did not get in a strange car. Thank you, Im sorry to hear of his problems and I hope he will finally get the mental hell he needs. If my child ever reads this I want her to know that I am sorry. Livingston, MT 59047. Think again. Cleveland National Forest encompasses 460,000 acres (720 sq mi (1,900 km 2)), mostly of chaparral, with a few riparian areas. Second comment, my last came up as a reply idk why not my intention. When I disagreed and didnt get off of my bunk I was ripped off the top onto the floor by a male staff member. Long story short i stole his truck and drove to Idaho filled up at a self serve gas station then ditched the truck in Spokane Washington. Lawsuits Mount Against Spring Creek Lodge, http://wwaspsurvivors.com/youth-foundation-success-academy-youth-foundation-inc/, http://www.flickr.com/photos/100005874@N05/, http://www.facebook.com/groups/wwaspsurvivors, http://chaffinpullanismarvelous.weebly.com/, Youth Foundation Closes Amid Scandals, Lawsuits | WWASP Survivors. I finally made my escape it was a cold Novemeber night about 2am. I got to come home because I graduated HS, and that was my mothers only concern. We pick you up each day at the hotel and in the evenings you can enjoy fun western towns like Bozeman and Livingston, Browse our large network of vacation homes and cabins that are either on the water or centrally located to great fishing. Sending everyone love and healing from all this awful shit. Its cold and going to be colder tonight. I even slept on the floor inside what became the Hungry Horse cafeteria, on the floor by that old stove with the wolf dog Lakota hangin out there. That morning we drove deeper and deeper and higher and higher into the forest on a mountainside. that shit was awesome. I suddenly became a level 5 what a joke. I would make my nose bleed and went through a whole box of tampons and kept making my nose bleed. Thank you! He then went on to be the Director for Majestic Ranch, now operating as Old West Academy, where children as young as 7, and perhaps younger, were detained, abused, and used as forced labor. But they wanted to try to make you hold each others hands and dress like women all kinds of weird bullshit. I wouldnt wish that place upon my enemym Chaffin eventually had enough of me and so did every one else i guess and tried to make my mom send me to Jamaica where they had no child labor laws but my mom just brought me home instead.. Made up a home contract followed it for 2 weeks once i got home at the age of 15 and of course got bored and went out to find older kids.. After choosing out of PC3- I was pulled four months later (age 15-almost 16). It was like $10,000 or something like that a month. Be happy, you deserve it. It is the southernmost U.S. National Forest of California.It is administered by the U.S. Forest Service, a government agency within the United States Department of Agriculture. Nhn Nevada Spring Creek Rnch, Helmville, MT 59843 is a lot/land. Hahayes we called Eugene Little 2Pac I forgot about that nickname. I then began my life in the program. I personaly never got beaten but fot caught up in all the games played there. He was a wild son of a bitch, but a sweet guy. It was just too surreal, and fucked up. Even after the loss of multiple lawsuits, news reports outlining the abuse and new lawsuits filed regularly, they turn a blind eye to hide the children that they broke using the guise of helping them. Let me tell u that last hour was the craziest shit It was like a movie because I wasnt gonna get comfortable just sitting around the airport. If you would participate in our goal of shutting these places down for good, you will be helping your daughter and thousands more like her. I was one of the guys that learned real quick what a joke this place was,you had kids in the program trying to be super cops for whatever reason. Im really trying to find a Trauma and PTSD therapist right now possibly a psych who is already educated on Spring Creek / WWASP. Its the Weirdest Thing I have Ever Seen. Anyway thankful for your post Brann id enjoy a conversation with you anytime, My name is Chris and I attended Spring Creek Lodge for 6 months in 2003 all I can say is the horror stories are spot on the neglect was real the psychological and physical abuse was real and The Hobbit which only people that have gone to the school will understand what Im talking about pretty much destroyed any self-worth that I had when I requested my exit plan I was given a ride to the nearest homeless shelter and the clothes on my back in the middle of winter I am so glad the school is shut down and I have the utmost hatred for both the school the staff and my parents who still to this day stand behind what they did I hope to God anybody that is stuck in a program like this run run run run it is the only hope and when they let loose the dogs make sure they tear your face off so that you have the physical proof of what they do I know for a fact that use dogs at Spring Creek Lodge to track down students who have ran I only know this because I was put on junior staff privilege and sent on a Manhunt for a lower class student who had ran this school actually had measures and plan taught to their staff in the case that somebody ran or in the case that somebody tried to hurt themselves simply because it happened so frequently and the staff made sure to downplay anything that was going on at the school that would be construed as detrimental to the well-being of a minor the two men at the head of this ship should be held for their crimes and being given the the chair if you ask me which would be fitting because all we would have to do is tell him that its worksheet sit on your stool and stare at the wall only for him there would be no release after 24 hours of sitting on the stool this may sound like a rant or exaggeration but all I can say is I have not construed the truth in any way if you want any more details feel free to contact me I will speak freely about everything that went on at that school if thats what you want to call it, My name is Chris and I attended the school in 2003 I currently live in Phoenix Arizona and when I read your story about the desert I thought maybe you would still be around here if you are I would totally be down to talk to you Im going through a little bit myself now that I am in my 30s and the flashback of this period of my life are starting to dominate my current psyche I think maybe if I was able to connect with some other people that understood what I went through I might be able to talk of the flashback if you would be okay talking with me please by all means give me a call my phone number is 602-596-3046, Looks like this isnt a very active place to post anymore, but I just wanted to state that I think I have everyone beat in a few ways. They made us build fort style fences around the staff cabins and lay rock gravel pits. Know when to ask questions know when to back off, know when to be a friend, know when to parent.